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Message thread at CPP
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*** Green Horse Green Rider ***
Real life horse training discussion group. All the famous trainers have made mistakes at some point in the arena situation's. but if thier methods aren't harmful and the horse response well to them then keep it up for like people thy respond beter to certain techniques like people do with school work. and if the trainer does something you disagree with doesn't mean you have to stop using his or hers methods you just stop "following" them. any how it's how you decide your life choices. I just find Clinton anderson's methods easiest for me and my horse Plus I don't understand pat perrelli. Mrs. Crandal thank you fir the article on the biting! I don't like hitting my animals but especailly horses sense they are SO head shy prone! plus the technique IS fun to use on your horse! She tried to bite me while I was petting her so I kept petting her muzzle until she stopped trying to bite me. I've been doing it to her anytime I walk out there just grab her halter and pet her muzzle. The article though is it complete?
GS | 
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-13 01:40:43 | | Clinton rides quarter horses(mostly) and they are known for being exetremely lazy, so spurs aren't neccesaraily a bad thing unless you rip your horse's side open to the point of bleeding. The handy stick as Clinton calls it, he uses as an extension of his arm, and will increase pressure until the horse responds. There are some times when you have to use force rearing, bucking, bolting, etcetera. that's just my opinion of things, i might sound harsh and mean, but these are 1,000lb animals and you need to be able to control them. I only use immense pressure or force when i have to do it. I see stuff at my barn checking, really rough for no reason, forcing the horse to do what they want, need I go on? and I just wonder why some one would want to do that just to get a horse to do western pleasure.
I just don't understand why people do these things to horses | 
mybuety & Pressed | | 2011-12-13 03:10:40 | | | I took out some stuff, but the whole article is on horsemanship101.com. I just needed to make it shorter. | 
Jane Crandal & JB | | 2011-12-13 04:54:11 | | | Read the biting article in this month's magazine. It shows an alternate way. Any why hitting is not a good idea. |
Jane Crandal & JB | | 2011-12-13 04:57:24 | | | If I find a tecniqe I like and want to try on Missy I always want to know if it's bite safe or kick safe! I'm terrified of her bitting me. and I don't like to be far from her hind quarters for then she can kick me. she doesn't kick but she has once because she was really annoyed with me, so that keeps me alert! BUt i'm mostly afraid of her biting me. I don't show it though. I'm just use caution. and I enforced my space oday with the whip. I had to tap her on the head hard (not to a slap point) for she was trying to eat the bucket of feed and wouldn't let me pic it up so I had to give her a tap and then she finally gave the bucket to me so I could dump it in to her trough! but that was mostly it. |
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-14 01:24:29 | | | I didn't mean to slap or hit, I just meant poke them in the nose, it makes them think "oh, I go towards the bucket when the human is holding it, I feel a little discomfort on my nose." I actually learned the trick at an arabian barn, and they were show arabians, so they can be jumpy. most they ever did was throw their head and look like "what just happened?" I thrive to not abuse, hit, or be mean to horses for no resason. A horse at my barn saw me walk up with crutches and just aboout had a heart attack! he was snorting and pacing, and stayin at the back of the stall. I just didn't look at him and put my hand in his stall, and he slowly came over and sniffed me. Then I walked off to see Pressed and came back to Zipper, and he did the exact same thing. I got a handful of feed and re-inforced being around crutches was a good thing and that they weren't going to eat him. The only time I go to the exetreme is when the horse is being a brat because he thinks he can be like Beauty she did a really fast 180 degree turn for no reason and I fell off. All I can figure is she got tired of me riding her. Or when the horse is being exetremely disrespectful like, walking in front of you to the stall, not stopping when you stop, mowing you over because you have food, etc. I hope I clarified, if not, let me know. |
mybuety & Pressed | | 2011-12-14 02:14:39 | | Im glad you got through to your horse Gs!
My AWESOME trainer told me 2 things to walking behind a horse, either walk SUPER far around or pet its haunches and press your body along it so it knows your there. that way if yor that close and the horse kicks, it will only be like a shove with no impact.
:') | 
MAC1023 & King | | 2011-12-14 03:08:30 | | Sorry this is late, I saw the post on Missy and Bell, it can be one of two things, or both:
1.Missy might not like dogs, this can be because she has had a bad exeperience or just doesn't like them.
2.Missy was for sure protecting you from Bell. I've read where mares will push their foals behind them and put themselves in front of the danger. Missy took you in as her "foal" and thought of Bell as the "danger" My mare did that one time when I was grooming her in the pasture, and another horse came up, and Beauty jumped in front of me, swung her rump around to push me behind her(and knock me on the ground) and pinned her ears and started nipping the other horse. The other horse started running away from Beauty before Beauty went into full attack mode. After that, Beauty was following me around and looking very concerned. In a nutshell, Missy is protecting you from Bell and sees Bell as a threat and that you can't defend yourself.
(Sorry if I go off about Beauty or other horses, I sold my mare back in Febuary, and I still miss her.) |
mybuety & Pressed | | 2011-12-14 03:25:12 | | My tips on not getting kicked:
1. Even though you may believe that being double barreled is bad what's worse is that if you're kick while the horse is in motion. the horse needs his leg to walk/trot/canter/gallop on so he will be bringing back his leg to keep on moving. If you get kicked when it is like that It is much more painful. If you end up with a break its more likely to be a shatter if you got kicked this way.
2. Find the reason that your horse is biting/kicking; my horse only bites when I do up my girth so I just avoid her when I do her girth up now. If it is not your tack, the pony's health or anything else it might be that your pony is just naughty for doing it.
3. sometimes horses/ponies have little burst outs because they just don't want to do something; maybe you pushed them too hard in something else and they are really tired. If this is what you think might have happened give your pony a day off or right there and then you could loosen the girth, loosen the bit (only to be done with experianced ponies that you can trust in a fenced area) or have a walk for a while.
4. A little biting problem can begin with just a few treats. A horse might think that they are going to get a treat every time that you come to see them so they might start nibbling at pockets and grabbing onto shirts with their teeth. It is not dangerous to have a horse on this stage but if it gets worse feeding your horse a less-fibre-full diet (Why did I just invent that word?) and feed them something like 'cool cubes'.
I am not too experianced with horses so don't follow those tips word by word becuase it is dangerou to be around a horse which kicks or bites if you don't know what to do fully.
~TGG |
TGG & Dekka | | 2011-12-14 06:38:27 | | equine,
I'd hang halters and lead ropes around and just let her see them, and get used to them in her daily routine. Then when she gets used to having them at a distance and not moving towards her, start picking it up and move it around slowly. slowly close the distance between her and the halter, until you can stand next to her. If you get close and she starts going crazy, back up and start over. When you can stand next to her, start slowly rubbing her with the halter along her body, but stay away from her head. Start along her back, as that is the most desensitized spot on a horse and extend out along her body from her back. then go to the legs then after many sessions and she is calm, start getting closer to her head.
Keep the sessions short, 10-15 minutes long, they're like humans and get burned out.
I hope I helped! |
mybuety & Pressed | | 2011-12-16 03:36:21 | |
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