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*** Green Horse Green Rider ***
Real life horse training discussion group. My lesson instructor lets me feed my horses a scoop of grain after lessons but not to much.
I have a question- when I am cantering around the arena, on the corners he comes to the center instead of staying on the rail and i have to use my left leg and right rein a lot to keep him on the rail. Any suggestions?
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MAC1023 & King | | 2011-12-04 14:59:48 | | okay. what should I do then? stop feeding her sweet feed and oats? she isn't worked. And if I do stop feedin her then little by little reduce her feed to nothing? I know your supposed to do this but I want to absolutely make sure. I know that sentence sounds dumb but I couldn't hink of a way to explain it any other way.
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Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-04 20:28:52 | | First, you should be feeding adequate amounts of good hay. She should have about 5 pounds of hay (I usually think of that as one medium-thin flake) twice or three times a day. She should have fresh water at all times.
If you use the sweet feed at all, use it in SMALL amounts, perhaps a half cup or so, she will still enjoy it but the effect on her will be much less.
In changing feeding programs, including what kind of hay you feed or sweet feed or anything, you should do it gradually.
I usually go by the rule of halves -- for the first day of the grain change, if you were giving her a scoop twice a day, give her half a scoop instead, twice a day.
The next day give her a quarter scoop, then an eighth the next day, until you are down to the new level you want to feed.
With hay, feed half old hay half new for the second meal on day one. Then on day two, feed half and half for two meals.
On day three, half and half for one meal, the next meal all new.
On day four, you are on the new hay.
Is that clear?
Horses do not like change in their diet, so we have to make changes very gradually.
NEVER let a horse have free choice grain or A&M (alfalfa and molasses) that is a sure invitation to founder. | 
Jane Crandal & JB | | 2011-12-05 01:52:17 | | figured out a few days ago that the one trainer I'd be able to get lesons from is pregnant so she and I won't be able to train until spring....Missy in spring is going to a nearby trainer for a month in the spring. So I'll have to use one of her horses.
Okay I have a problem. Missy tries to push her head into the bucket I use to haul feed to her grain before I hardly get there so I'm pushing against her and tring to walk swiftly. I'm afraid she's goin to bite me or push me more. Feeding squabbles don't sit well wih me. how would I be able to teach her not to try to push against me to get the bucket, and wait till I put the grain into her feed bucket? plus I'm always afraid of her biting.
GS |
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-06 04:00:41 | | She should never enter your space unless you invite her in.
Carry a crop. Start with entering and keep her out of your bubble (the area where she could touch you or you could touch her.)
Don't beat on her, but enforce your space.
JC |
Jane Crandal & JB | | 2011-12-06 04:05:14 | | Missy seems to have the "poochie lip" desease, for anytime I have her do things her lower lip starts to tremble and she gets the most pathetic look like she's abused because I had her do something. I'm wondering though if this is her way of saying something to me but I don't understand.
GS |
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-06 04:23:56 | | Missy when I'm leading her on a leadrope backs up Perfectly but iis supper stubborn in going forward. I don't have a clue why. She does this in an open pen or going into a stall, she bolts to the ground and it's a tussle to get her to go forward. She didn't use to be like this. She didn't use to do alot of things. but she's been through alot. but I'm wondering how do I gain her trust, respect, and control. For all that she's been through I think she's broken her trust toward me alot.
story:
The first time I got her to my place she was like a puppy dog and any time I started going away from her she started crying. She would lead just like a show horse and wasn't disrespectful one once. Then we put he rwith my neighbors horse for we didn't have our fence up yet. she got beat up badly by one of he horses and there was alot of bad items in the pasture that were hazardous. we had to get her out of there for safety concerns. She tried to escape every chance she got jumping fences the most. we couldn't keep her there though for the hazards of the items in the pasture. She got really frustrated every time we brought her back. She seemed to hate me for a few days after every escape. I think she might be holding a grudge to me but I'm just guessing. She didn't use to be disrespectful and she didn't ever use to threaten me or give me trouble. I gotta go I'm sorta crying her and can't write.
Bye
GS |
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-06 04:33:02 | | | Golden Swallow, I'd pop her in the nose with the back of your hand. I know it sounds mean and cruel, but it startles her more then hurt her. You poke them in the nose with your finger if they're biting, it doesn't hurt them just startles them. Missy's behavior is exetremely disrespectful, and can be dangerous. If she does it, and then knows she can do it, she has won the battle; if it were another horse (which she is treating you as) the horse would be lower in the pecking order and Missy would be the dominant horse of the two. Clinton Anderson had an article about horses getting in your space. It said something about if a horse steps into your circle, you might not notice it but the horse does. If I can find it i'll post i'll post it. If it doesnt make sense, let me know and i'll try to clarify. I sometimes get typing and what makes sense to me, but might not make sense to some one else. | 
mybuety & Pressed | | 2011-12-06 06:07:26 | | | how do I enforce my space with the whip? |
Golden swallow & Bow tie | | 2011-12-06 22:33:20 | | The easy answer is you teach the horse to stay out of your space.
The only time a horse should enter your bubble (the space about as far out as you can reach, say 4 feet in all directions) is when you invite them in.
Inviting them in is body language, looking down, licking your lips, hunching slightly, turning sideways, and using your hand opening and closing to invite them to approach.
The stay away posture is straight up and down, looking straight at the horse, with your arms out or raised. In that posture the horse should stay out of your bubble until you go to the inviting posture. If the horse enters, raise your arms and command BACK! If the horse continues, the whip is used once, not hard. POP.
If the horse does not back up, raise your arms again so they are straight out from your shoulders, holding that whip out sideways too. Make your self as big as possible, then say BACK!
Horses are very sensitive to body position, that should make her pay attention.
Enforcing your bubble is something you need to read up on. Think about it while you are reading this article,
http://www.horsemanship101.com/John-Lyons-Training-Newsletter/Issues/Teach-Horse-Sidepassing-Ground.html
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Jane Crandal & JB | | 2011-12-07 02:53:22 | |
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